The Psychology of the Spend

(28-01-2021 22:38 )ShandyHand Wrote:  @Dazzler: The visibility of the babes doing 'naughty stuff' (both to other studio personnel and in terms of how the resultant footage is allowed to spread around the net) has been rightly tightened up on in recent years. More use of closed sets is evident and more security/take downs around illicit recordings likewise. This is for punters' own good at the end of the day, as well as the babes', because it ensures they can be as open with the sexual expression as they feel they can be. That can only work in favour of punters looking for the harder material.

But its a job, I expect most guys around the sets get used to it.

(25-01-2021 16:37 )Dazzler Wrote:  ...I don't know in how to make this a thread ... how much it would cost to make up Ur own babe channel but if u could what would you do differently

There have been several of these sorts of threads over the years. Just one search reveals:
https://www.babeshows.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=77011
https://www.babeshows.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=28582
https://www.babeshows.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=17257
https://www.babeshows.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=2543

Thank you for showing me and others these threads I thought I couldn't of been the first person to have thought of this but these go back as far as 2009 upto 2019 I might of found these myself if I'd looked before scrolling through the forum but it could also help out others on here about old channel babes that have been forgotten and wondering where they are now cos there are names on these threads even I have forgotten about many thanks from Dazzler

Ideally I spend £50 on a 10 minute private cam to cam.

Spending £20 on a 10 minute call, is possibly the cheapest way to get a good experience.

£10 on 3 minutes in pervcam is unfulfilling. £5 on a buzz can barely complete a tip goal.

If a presenter appears on a channel four times a week throughout the year, that equals 208 shows.

Spending £50 on a 10 minute private cam to cam during all their shows, would cost me £10,400 a year.

The emphasis of your spends is obviously towards getting vfm Ryuken (a basic combo of 1-2 from the o.p.) -  a very common driver - but your comments also take us into the whole other side of this conversation - one I've deliberately avoided touching on till now. Nevertheless it's an area that's immensely pertinent of course.

We might sum it up as What kind of punter are you? This is where we get into a guys 'type' in babes or what actions he likes to see/hear on shows. What specific personal proclivities drive his interactions? What sort of interactions/shows less interest him, or, indeed, might chase him from a babe's channel?

Of course we all gravitate necessarily towards babes that appeal to us, not least in the way they offer more foder to such personal tastes. Beyond that though it's hard to say more in a reasonably succinct fashion, as we can all think of the many varied emphasises we see others place on their desires. It's a big subject. (The most obvious groupings being those based around the prominent fetishes like feet or dom.)

One simple point I can make: It seems certain fetish groups are particularly drawn towards the shows. Maybe their desires are better catered for by a live presentation or these fetishes are more marginalised on mainstream porn sites? It also seems likely the regulations put in place against the TV shows gave room, over time, for a greater emphasis to be put on these fetishes than might otherwise have been the case. Also it seems the character of these guys (fetishists tend to be of a broad type in my experience) and the pandering to these fetishes establishes a loyalty not always as easy to reproduce in guys of more mainstream tastes.

I'd hope others can add somewhat greater insight into this wide ranging side of the subject than these minor points however.

Where I can perhaps give more thought provoking testimony is on what provokes my passions towards a show. Personally, I love the live arena of it too...

Nothing drives my interactions more furiously than a seeing a babe enjoying her work; seeing she's 'in the zone', riffing of loads of guys around her without total immersion and enjoyment. There's little more stimulating than watching a skilled master puppeteer at work in this way. The feeling that anything could happen. The anticipation and andrenaline behind that. The thrill of being part of a crowd with a common excitement and goals. Me being enticed to be a core contributor to that feral, base, atmosphere.

As such, I feel, the best babes should always actively want and seek out as large a crowd as possible. They don't hide from the hunt. They engage with the pack. They stoke it to a passion and a heat with deliberation and consistency. They dare us to stick our necks out from the herd so they can pick us off; drain us of fueling credits and fueling seed one by one. That makes for shows most sustaining and even enhancing to our habits.

Privates and calling therefore offer less excitement and potential to me. (Although I can be tempted by wanting to get to know a grounded-type babe some; someone that knows her punters and shows open empathy to them. Punting is clearly better with a certain personal affinity between babe and guy.)

If I'm enjoying a punt most I will be voluminous in chat. (I have to hold back for fear of swamping it with comment.) I'll also stick around as long as possible. (Edging to a teasy knowing performance, one that's relaxed but dripping with a devilish winking sensuality, is often my thing.) If it's more standard, efficient but not noteworthy, I'll be silent until done. If I'm flitting on and off the channels through the day, it's generally with a sense of frustration, hoping for something more to my tastes, but not finding it.

Regarding value for money, unless you count a 75p/min call on Xpanded or the 60p/min call that BS offers at time, generally speaking, £1.50-£2.00 is the norm for a call. If we consider this is the starting price for interacting, discounting £5.00 a buzz which can never be vfm, a least after a £5.00 spend on a call your conversation should be heading in the direction that you require, given that how, does any on what we pay for these services offer comparable vfm to other pleasures in life or vices such as drinking or smoking. Is it even fair to measure against these ? I guess if you like something enough then you'll be willing to fork out regardless. vfm isn't even a standard, as ability to pay or disposable income are the important factor. At it's worst it can just be a fight for the punter who's trying to not get ripped-off. against the provider (babe/company) doing just that, ripping you off.

(06-02-2021 11:21 )ShandyHand Wrote:  What kind of punter are you?

I'm the type of punter that likes curvy exotic women like Fernanda Ferrari, Sophia Lares, Olivia Berzinc, Nicole Snow etc.

The type of shows I like are BangBabes era 2-4-1's on RLC era visually exciting sets with Xpanded era cheap call prices with S66 era lighting and camera work.

I like roleplaying on calls and cam, with stripteasing, dancing, twerking, finger sucking, dildos, pussy rubbing and nipple licking.

The interactive element and unpredictability of what will happen during a 8 hour show is the biggest reason why I love the babechannels, in comparison to scripted 90 minute porn films.

The things I don't like are the exorbitant prices, being stuck in a phone queue, findom, feet, tip goals, perv cam, blur shows, Mr P shows, leaderboards, VIP shows, 3 tiers of VIP memberships, BS' lighting, BS' camera work, BS' sets and BS' member videos because they're not VFM.

The production values of the content that the channels create should be as good as the porn films made by Brazzers, Vixen and Blacked.

I'm not spending £10k per week on just tips, just because you're pretty. Stop treating punters like bottomless cash machines, and you'll stop getting treated like soulless cum dumpsters.

Turn on your sound during webshows like Delia Rose and just have a chat about the music you're playing in the background. Use your freechat box like Hannah Claydon when you're not on a call or in cam to strike up some rapport with potential punters, so that you can turn them into paying fans.

Stop using it to beg for buzzes, calls or cam shows, or say that you're bored and/or horny. Show me that you're horny, don't tell me.

That doesn't mean bouncing around a set like a 2 year old child high off Ribena. Learn to seduce your freeloaders, and entice them into paying to interact with you like Fernanda Ferrari did.

^^^ All of this

^^ Whaaaaaaaaatttttttt?

We can't have that ryuken.
The punters and viewers might like it .

I agree

(06-02-2021 14:35 )Boomerangutangangbang Wrote:  Regarding value for money, unless you count a 75p/min call on Xpanded or the 60p/min call that BS offers at time, generally speaking, £1.50-£2.00 is the norm for a call. If we consider this is the starting price for interacting, discounting £5.00 a buzz which can never be vfm ... does any on what we pay for these services offer comparable vfm to other pleasures in life or vices such as drinking or smoking. Is it even fair to measure against these ? ... vfm isn't even a standard, as ability to pay or disposable income are the important factor. At it's worst it can just be a fight for the punter who's trying to not get ripped-off. against the provider (babe/company) doing just that, ripping you off.

Oh yes it's relative of course. Has to be. Can't be in anyway comparable to the value offered by a loaf of bread for instance. But it should be comparable to high end entertainment or a plush night out say, in that way, surely.

Most of all, though, it should fare well against ITSELF. If one babe can give a punter a lasting sense of money well spent then why can't they all? We judge by what our experiences tell us is possible on the shows; our expectations are moulded by the babes that do it (and us) right. And in contrast we KNOW when we have been taken for a sucker. Just because it's the adult industry or a supposed premium product does not mean relative value shouldn't be an expectation. It's not a blanket buyer beware or 'what do you expect?!' situation. I refute that. And more importantly babes like Atlanta, Brooks and Grace E. etc, refute that.

@Ryuken: Brilliant post; your best on the forum IMO. Searing in parts.