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Re: Anjem Choudary

https://thesecretbarrister.com/2018/09/1...r-streets/

"Any defendant sentenced to a “fixed-term” sentence is automatically released at the half-way point of their sentence. This is automatic (by virtue of s.244 Criminal Justice Act 2003). It doesn’t depend on good behaviour, or successful rehabilitation, or satisfaction of any other condition. Why? Well, this is something covered in some detail in my book, (Chapter 10: The Big Sentencing Con), but the justifications offered are two-fold. First, releasing a defendant on licence means that the authorities have a measure of control over an individual as they reintegrate into society. There are conditions attached to the licence, usually including supervision by the probation service, and if the defendant breaches those conditions or commits (or is even accused of) a further offence, they can be recalled to prison to serve the remainder of their sentence. The second, unspoken reason, is one of practicality and cost. Prison is expensive, and the budget was cut by 40% in 2010. Locking up all or most prisoners for the full terms of their sentence would push our already-overcrowded and ungovernable prisons beyond salvation. Automatic release operates as a valve to relieve pressure on the system. You may not like those reasons, you may consider the latter in particular a darn unsatisfactory justification (I certainly do), but unless and until there is a rush of popular support for vastly expanding the prison budget, or a radical reimagining of how often we reach for custody as a sentence, it’s easy to see the political appeal. Pretend hardened crims are being handed whopping sentences, then let them out early so we don’t actually have to pay for it. It is equally easy to see how the public often feel misled, as automatic release – although often explicitly stated by the sentencing judge – is rarely explained properly in news reporting."

"The offence of which Choudary was convicted did not carry an extended sentence. Nearly all terrorism-related offences do, but this rarely-deployed offence contrary to s.12 of the Terrorism Act 2000 is not on the list. Parliament, for whatever reason, did not see fit to do so. This meant that the only option open to the court was a determinate (fixed-term) sentence. The outcome was therefore inevitable from the moment Choudary was charged. There was never any prospect of him receiving anything other than a standard determinate sentence which would see him automatically released at the half-way stage, irrespective of whether he was reformed or, as the case may well be, even more of a danger to the public."

"If this sounds highly undesirable, some comfort may be found in this: the government is alert to the gap in the law. The Counter-Terrorism and Border Security Bill proposes adding section 12 (among other terror-related offences) to the list of specified offences which carry extended sentences. But at present, we will have to rely upon the (one would imagine latex-trouser-tight) licence conditions and Choudary’s oversight by the security services to provide sufficient public protection."

"Finally, to those wondering why, if Choudary was given a 66-month sentence in September 2016, he is being released now only 2 years later, instead of 33 months later, the answer is again in the sentencing remarks. Choudary had spent some time in custody awaiting trial, and some time on bail on an electronically monitored curfew. A day spent in custody on remand counts as a day towards sentence. A day spent on an electronically-monitored “qualifying curfew” (of at least 9 hours a day) counts as half a day in custody. Again, this is automatic."

(18-10-2018 15:44 )Jack the Nipper Wrote:  And so the man who hates this country so much but is a more than welcome recipient of our overly generous benefits towards him (he received over £25,000 a year in benefits & lived rent & council tax free before he was imprisoned) the no-good cunt known as Anjem Choudary is due to be released from prison tomorrow serving half of his 5 year sentence.

I was listening to a couple of talk-shows earlier today where apparently Choudary costs the tax payer £50,000 a year to keep him in prison but on release it will cost £2 million plus a year on police surveillance,security,monitoring etc.I was listening to a few prison wardens & police officers who claim than that a prisoner with no repent or remorse for their crimes can merely be released on parole halfway through a sentence by 'keeping their nose clean' regardless of if they are a threat on the outside world or not.

It took an absolute age to imprison this sewer rat who openly admitted although he is a trained lawyer that he refused to work as his taxes would fund foreign wars,quite how that excuse cuts with the Jobcentre I'll never know.But he is said to own several properties & though he receives over £25k a year in benefits his children are all receive private education.

If this totally inept Government wants to get anything right make prisoners serve full sentences (& not let out halfway through),make any Terrorism offences a life sentence mandatory (with life meaning life & not 10-12 years) as this fuckwit Choudary is said to have indoctrinated (brainwashed) over a 100 people to commit terrorism offences (including the scum who killed Lee Rigby).Strip Choudary of his benefits & get him to work for a living like the rest of us or send him on a luxury vacation to Guantanamo Bay.

make sure it's only a one way ticket version, otherwise this sewer rate needs to be treated as rat and dealt with forthwith like any normal rat a but make it a slow agonising death. If they are any other cunts who should join him, it is the cunts who actually decided to release him They should hang their head in shame at this decision.

(18-10-2018 17:57 )southsidestu Wrote:  Re: Anjem Choudary

https://thesecretbarrister.com/2018/09/1...r-streets/

"Any defendant sentenced to a “fixed-term” sentence is automatically released at the half-way point of their sentence. This is automatic (by virtue of s.244 Criminal Justice Act 2003). It doesn’t depend on good behaviour, or successful rehabilitation, or satisfaction of any other condition. Why? Well, this is something covered in some detail in my book, (Chapter 10: The Big Sentencing Con), but the justifications offered are two-fold. First, releasing a defendant on licence means that the authorities have a measure of control over an individual as they reintegrate into society. There are conditions attached to the licence, usually including supervision by the probation service, and if the defendant breaches those conditions or commits (or is even accused of) a further offence, they can be recalled to prison to serve the remainder of their sentence. The second, unspoken reason, is one of practicality and cost. Prison is expensive, and the budget was cut by 40% in 2010. Locking up all or most prisoners for the full terms of their sentence would push our already-overcrowded and ungovernable prisons beyond salvation. Automatic release operates as a valve to relieve pressure on the system. You may not like those reasons, you may consider the latter in particular a darn unsatisfactory justification (I certainly do), but unless and until there is a rush of popular support for vastly expanding the prison budget, or a radical reimagining of how often we reach for custody as a sentence, it’s easy to see the political appeal. Pretend hardened crims are being handed whopping sentences, then let them out early so we don’t actually have to pay for it. It is equally easy to see how the public often feel misled, as automatic release – although often explicitly stated by the sentencing judge – is rarely explained properly in news reporting."

"The offence of which Choudary was convicted did not carry an extended sentence. Nearly all terrorism-related offences do, but this rarely-deployed offence contrary to s.12 of the Terrorism Act 2000 is not on the list. Parliament, for whatever reason, did not see fit to do so. This meant that the only option open to the court was a determinate (fixed-term) sentence. The outcome was therefore inevitable from the moment Choudary was charged. There was never any prospect of him receiving anything other than a standard determinate sentence which would see him automatically released at the half-way stage, irrespective of whether he was reformed or, as the case may well be, even more of a danger to the public."

"If this sounds highly undesirable, some comfort may be found in this: the government is alert to the gap in the law. The Counter-Terrorism and Border Security Bill proposes adding section 12 (among other terror-related offences) to the list of specified offences which carry extended sentences. But at present, we will have to rely upon the (one would imagine latex-trouser-tight) licence conditions and Choudary’s oversight by the security services to provide sufficient public protection."

"Finally, to those wondering why, if Choudary was given a 66-month sentence in September 2016, he is being released now only 2 years later, instead of 33 months later, the answer is again in the sentencing remarks. Choudary had spent some time in custody awaiting trial, and some time on bail on an electronically monitored curfew. A day spent in custody on remand counts as a day towards sentence. A day spent on an electronically-monitored “qualifying curfew” (of at least 9 hours a day) counts as half a day in custody. Again, this is automatic."

With regards to financial implications (cost cutting exercises) being a major factor behind releasing prisoners halfway through their sentence regardless if they are a threat to the public flies in the face with regards to Choudary as I mentioned it costs £50k a year to keep him in prison whereas releasing him will cost £2 million a year in surveillance,monitoring etc.By calculation Choudary spending 40 years in prison would equate to a year's release under police surveillance etc whats better value for money considering this incompetent government can throw money to foreign despots at a cost of cutting services such as policing & prisons to the bone.

I was always under the impression that if a criminal is deemed a threat to the public they are incarcerated for the public's protection but obviously not hence one of the reasons why we have repeat offenders.Take poor old fucker Charles Bronson (Britain's most violent inmate) who has served 30+ years in prison in which 2/3 of his sentence has been spent in solitary confinement & yet he hasn't killed anyone, hasn't brainwashed anyone to fight for the kalifait & kill his own countrymen.His only crimes are he is a failed bank-robber & a bare-knuckle fighter & yet he will never see the outside world because he is deemed a threat to the public.The same probation team deems Choudary & John Worboys fitting the criteria for release & yet if Choudary isn't a danger why the fuck does he require 24 hour monitoring?.

And for anyone standing on their soapbox advocating Choudary's release I wonder if they'd be of the mind-frame if he was relocated to become their next-door neighbour or in their community,I doubt it.

With official reports saying about bullying & intimidation is rife in the Houses of Common & parliament with pint-sized speaker John Bercow said to be one of the worst architects of it all how the fuck can he stay in his position & possibly influence change & legislation.This would be like putting Count Dracula in charge of stock-taking at the local blood- bank.What disgusts me though is mainly Remain voting MP's (many Labour) like Emily Thornberry believe turning a blind eye to Bercow's bullying (he was called out by various MP's during a debate ) because he is one of their key allies to rail-road Br%£*t.

As old fossil Dame Margaret Hodge elequently let the cat out of the bag & put it "The democratic decision that is Br%£*t trumps any bad behaviour in parliament".And that old hag has a face that could make flowers wilt.

With regards to the costs, the law was written to take into account the majority of prisoners who were serving this sentence, they would not require this level of surveillance. With regards to Choudary, the cost of £50k vs £2m are irrelevant because the law was written that his release like all others was to be automatic regardless of behaviour or how well they may be rehabilitated. The decision was not made by a probation team it was written into law that this was the outcome, it didn't matter what arguments could be made it was always going to happen.

As also mentioned by the Barrister the government is proposing to add Choudary's offence (section 12) and other terror offences to the list of specified offences that carry an extended sentence. If it were to pass that would allow future individuals like Choudary to serve extended sentences.

Julian Assange Sueing the Ecudorian Embassy for Violating his rights and freedom

Think the Ecudorians are thinking hmmm if the saudi's can get away with it maybe we could

(19-10-2018 00:56 )southsidestu Wrote:  With regards to the costs, the law was written to take into account the majority of prisoners who were serving this sentence, they would not require this level of surveillance. With regards to Choudary, the cost of £50k vs £2m are irrelevant because the law was written that his release like all others was to be automatic regardless of behaviour or how well they may be rehabilitated. The decision was not made by a probation team it was written into law that this was the outcome, it didn't matter what arguments could be made it was always going to happen.

As also mentioned by the Barrister the government is proposing to add Choudary's offence (section 12) and other terror offences to the list of specified offences that carry an extended sentence. If it were to pass that would allow future individuals like Choudary to serve extended sentences.

Every fool & his horse knows the laws of this land can be overly lenient in sentencing of even the most heinous crimes with a fair amount of publicised lenient sentences being thrown back for review.Getting caught with 1000's of paedophile material or other extreme material no longer guarantees a prison sentence anymore, paedos caught kiddy fiddling getting paltry 2 year sentences,murder someone & you can see the outside world in 18 months or even less.Take the case that was revealed today the one in which EDL member Tommy Robinson tried to expose earlier in the year & was inprisoned for.The case in Huddersfield where 20 Pakistani men who had child groomed,raped,abducted,trafficked & prostituted 15 vulnerable girls as young as 11 years old in which a total sentencing of 221 years.Scratch beneath the surface of the 221 years in total where some of the 20 sewer rats received up to life (with 18 years) & others received as paltry as 5 years (let out in 2 & half years).

A good few years ago an old workmate of mine's younger brother was a merely walking home from his girlfriends house one evening when he was run over & killed (in a hit & run) where the driver was already banned from driving in a car without insurance.The killer was sentenced to 4 years & was let out in 2 years which in simplified times means kill someone by car & you can walk free in 2 years.As I say the Law is a disgrace that will often hand out heavier sentencing for matters of finance (fraud tax evasion etc) than taking a life.

Going back to that old dick-bag Choudary & his derisery sentencing several de-radicalization officers commented on different news channels that Choudary destroyed families & communities with his indoctrination/brainwashing methods & that his sentencing was far too small given the sheer scope of how many people he influenced.

Choudary deserves a fair chance. By fair I mean dropping him 1000 miles out to sea with a rubber dinghy and a paddle. If he makes it back under his own steam he goes free.

Nick Clegg has decided to take up the yankee dollar and work for Facebook a company he publicly criticised for tax avoidance, he really is a two-faced sack of shit.

Has there ever been a slimier politician?

(19-10-2018 20:55 )Tumble_Drier Wrote:  Choudary deserves a fair chance. By fair I mean dropping him 1000 miles out to sea with a rubber dinghy and a paddle. If he makes it back under his own steam he goes free.

Ain't we got enough shit in the oceans without putting more in.